Two weeks ago this is what the nude pool looked like!

[Face Down]

You've got better vision than I do then. I was there, know 95% of the people in the picture, and still have a hard time recognizing folks. I still haven't found FaceDown in the pictures. Heck, I had to think about what color of hat and what color of lei I had around my neck to pick myself out, and still can't figure out who I'm talking to. LOL

Moot point now Tator...but in one of the pics I was engaged in the blow up guitar fight and the other two I was at the bar (imagine that). You on the other hand were talking to none other the one's boobies you are getting ready to lick in my Avatar pic....lol.

[norcalcpl42]

I wasn't meaning that just because the Amigos were in the majority that we were a bully. I have the upmost respect for all of the Hedo family. I was trying to say that this is how the Amigos Roll. We are a huge party group and if that is not for you we are sorry. If you want to sit and relax then going at the same time as the Amigos might not be the right time for you but also it is a big place and I am sure you can find a quiet place somewhere.
Respect!

Roll on my friend, but not over. Love that you guys love to party and have a great time, just don't catch unsuspecting bystandards in your photos and post them on the internet that's all. Simple courteous and respectful behavior will keep everyone happy.

[Face Down]

As far as the H2 vs. H3 divide...I don't see it. My wife and I have been to both and we just meet a lot of nice "Hedo" people...not "H2" or "H3" people. The atmosphere was pretty much the same at both.

And now after being there a week I totally agree. There are some small differences, but nothing major. I did have some emails from other groups that went before us stating that they were not well received by some of the old time guests...but we did not have that issue at all during our week, in fact I am pretty sure we had a positive influence on the entire resort...which was a FUN one!

[Caedmon]

I see your point, however you might want to check the many threads on this topic over the past few years here. They seem to be pretty consistent in defining the issue as well as what is considered acceptable behavour. While this is not 100% consistent with an ironclad interpretation of the rules, they do seem to define what is generally considered acceptable, and what under no conditions is considered acceptable.

What follows is my interpretation of the threads I've followed here for some time. I'm sure if I'm out of line on any of this, I'll be appropriately called to task and punsihed.

The common thread among almost all discussions re: what is under no conditions considered acceptable is taking photos in the nude area of people not knowledgable or wanting to be in the photos. In addition, in times where there are many people and it is generally not possible to screen everyone out, it is in bad taste to use the camera at all. The underlying reason is that it is more important to protect individuals privacy than to get random photos in these circumstances.

Now what does seem to be acceptable, even if it is bending the rules a bit, is the following:

• Taking photos on the nude side early in the morning when there is nobody around
• Taking photos at other times when few to no people are around, provided that the others are first notified and consent.
• Taking photos of yourselves or a small group, where no others are involved, and where the security people have been notified and are agreeable.

There are probably a few others to add to the list, but you likely get my point.

I agree with you that there a situations where a photo on the nude side is not a big issue. We're on the same side of that argument. But it's still a rule. And if I'm breaking a rule myself, i'm not going to call out someone else for breaking the same rule. I'm not upset with anybody, so don't get me wrong....just pointed out how funny I thought the hypocrisy in the situation was. It was a good laugh for me this morning.

[Caedmon]

You on the other hand were talking to none other the one's boobies you are getting ready to lick in my Avatar pic....lol.

Oops. You caught me.....you caught the tator. lol

[phillygirl22]

I wasn't meaning that just because the Amigos were in the majority that we were a bully. I have the upmost respect for all of the Hedo family. I was trying to say that this is how the Amigos Roll. We are a huge party group and if that is not for you we are sorry. If you want to sit and relax then going at the same time as the Amigos might not be the right time for you but also it is a big place and I am sure you can find a quiet place somewhere.
Respect!

You seem to assume that when I call SuperClubs to book my vacation, they will say "Well, at that time, we have a rather large group of self-proclaimed fucking idiots attending. Would you prefer to rebook?" lol

Take the postings for what they are--critque of violating a widely-held "understood" rule about photographing others without SPECIFIC consent.
Your Amigo leader graciously accepted that there was another view, and most respectfully responded to it.
Instead, you continue to potray a "better than the rest" attitude, telling me I should go somewhere else on the resort if around your group and don't like
your violation of privacy?

[phillygirl22]

Yep...did not even find out about it till we got home and was reading this forum. I guess she was just hanging out the window w/ video camera in hand. Some words were exchanged and she basically told them to fuck off. That resulted in a Vodka Ting sent her way via air mail which still did not deter her. Finally a security guard was found and sent to the room where the video camera was taken.

Wow... guess some people REALLY feel they own the world.
Sorry a good glass of vodka had to be wasted on that!

[Face Down]

Wow... guess some people REALLY feel they own the world.
Sorry a good glass of vodka had to be wasted on that!

Lol...nothing worse than alcohol abuse!

[Caedmon]

You seem to assume that when I call SuperClubs to book my vacation, they will say "Well, at that time, we have a rather large group of self-proclaimed fucking idiots attending. Would you prefer to rebook?" lol

Take the postings for what they are--critque of violating a widely-held "understood" rule about photographing others without SPECIFIC consent.
Your Amigo leader graciously accepted that there was another view, and most respectfully responded to it.
Instead, you continue to potray a "better than the rest" attitude, telling me I should go somewhere else on the resort if around your group and don't like
your violation of privacy?

The two of you are talking about two different things. Wyoswift specifically mentioned people wanting to "sit and relax in quiet" would probably not want to be around the Amigos when they are partying, and you're talking about picture taking. Wyoswift did not say "if you don't want your privacy violated/picture taken then don't come when Amigos are there" as you are trying to indicate. It's not very nice to put words into somebody's mouth and then accuse them of having a "better than the rest" attitude based upon that. Just sayin'.

[CandG]

From the person who's profile pic is of the nude side.......lmao.

Thanks, always appreciate a good full blown belly laugh!!!

If you've stopped laughing, let me clarify. That picture was taken at 7:00am on the day we left AND the lone guest in the picture (who is fully clothed and who was the ONLY guest on the nude side at that time) gave me permission to take the picture.

[CandG]

I think you're missing the point. CandG's stance is pretty clear with this quote. "I still can't believe that we're discussing whether pictures on the nude side is OK. It isn't...period. No matter who's doing it."

CandG didnt say "it's okay if nobody is in the picture" they said "It isn't...period." CandG also said "No matter who's doing it." while displaying evidence that they did it themselves. The irony is a great laugh especially considering the remark about "it doesn't mean you can make your own rules". I never saw a sign that says No Photographs if people are present. The only sign I saw says "No Photographs". Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black to me. CandG and whoever took the pics that facedown posted both broke the same rule. Howeve, only 1 of them is calling the other out for breaking rules. Just seems silly to call someone out for breaking a rule that obviously they are breaking themselves.

If you can't see the difference between my avatar picture and the three pictures posted of the packed nude pool, there is no point even discussing this. What's really funny is that you don't see that difference. By the way, we've been going to H2 since 2000 and it has always been acceptable to take pictures on the nude side early in the morning when no one was there. In fact, if no one is there, who would complain?

[Caedmon]

If you've stopped laughing, let me clarify. That picture was taken at 7:00am on the day we left AND the lone guest in the picture (who is fully clothed and who was the ONLY guest on the nude side at that time) gave me permission to take the picture.

You were the one that said it's not okay to take pictures on the nude side....PERIOD. Not me.

[CandG]

Wow...did not see this thread turning into something so negative! My intention, how ill advised as it has been pointed out , of posting these photos was to just show how much fun we were having in our new Hedo home. Before the trip I was warned by many that the current H2 people were not going to like our kind...H3 was about sexy fun while H2 was just about sex. The Amigos are a party group...as you can see. I take great pride in that we have wonderful people and are not one of those "all inclusive" groups that shun and don't even speak to those who are not members. I have been around those groups in my numerous trips to H3/H2 and I think they suck. I wasn't surprised though while at the resort of all the comments that we got from old timers and staff on how awesome we were and they were so glad that we were there. I know what great caliber people we have and would not except anything less. One guy pulled me aside and started the conversation with I have been coming here for 25 years. I was getting ready for you guys are too loud and obnoxious, go away stuff. He then said to me he was "so glad that Superclubs closed Hedo III, because if they had not our group would still be there and not at H2...and H2 needed us." Went on to say he had not had this much fun at H2 in years!!! I think a testament of how much fun we had with everyone there I came home to 12-15 emails in my inbox from people we met there and adopted into our little party who want to join in the fun next year.

So back to the pictures. 80+% of the people in them are Hedo Amigos..but that does leave 20%, whom I might add were having a very good time with us, that I do not know and I guess unfair to them that they were caught in the madness of the afternoon. These pictures have nothing to do with nudity, sex or spank bank material....the person who took them was awed by the spectacle and wanted a couple of shots to share with the group...where I guess it should have stayed. These pictures, plus the 3000+ that we have on the Yahoo site will never be put up anywhere else on the web...if they do and I find out about it and who did it, that person would be banned forever from the group and called out here or where ever else they post as a scumbag. So I just took them down, maybe some things are better left to the imagination anyway. I am not taking them down as I feel they "could have very serious implications for some in the pictures....The blurring helps a little, but people are still recognizable." No...that is total bullshit, I spent lots of time when blurring to make sure not one persons face was recognizable. I am taking them them down because:
1. It sets a bad example. I guess if one person starts to do it then many could follow suit. Regardless of what you think of me for posting these or the person who took the pics I do not want rabid camera use on the nude side.
2. I do not want to be a source of conflict here on this board. I love coming here and if you read my posts I am not one to get in the stupid arguments that happen every once in a while. This place is for us to be happy, talk and countdown to the place we all love and call are second home. I come here to check my head and get away from everyday drama and problems, not to start them or be apart of them.

So, to the majority of you who liked the pictures, I am glad you got to see them. That same party, only bigger (god help us) will be happening March 30th, 2012 and we will love to have ya join us if you can!

Peace and chicken grease!

Thank you, Face Down. This was a very reasoned and sincere response. You're right. The real issue was the precedent it set in terms of pictures like these being posted or even being taken at all. I think most of us rely on the expectation that we will not be photographed on the nude side without our knowledge (even though we all know about the "shutter snapping lurkers" in the rooms overlooking the nude pool) and some who see these pictures may conclude from them that it's ok to take pictures like these ("If they can do it, why can't I"). Anyway, thanks for seeing that there are two sides to this discussion. I'm very happy that you and your group had such a great time and that you have found a new home that you love in H2. Like the person you met, my wife and I are also very happy that the H3 people have moved over to H2 because it does add energy and increased occupancy to what has always been "our home". In fact, we went with a group for the first time ever last week (Cop & Kitten's Kittens & Angels) because there had never been an H2 group in house during the week we normally go in April. K&A is a transplanted H3 group just like the Amigos and we had perhaps our most fun and best trip ever.

[Caedmon]

If you can't see the difference between my avatar picture and the three pictures posted of the packed nude pool, there is no point even discussing this. What's really funny is that you don't see that difference. By the way, we've been going to H2 since 2000 and it has always been acceptable to take pictures on the nude side early in the morning when no one was there. In fact, if no one is there, who would complain?

I can clearly see the difference between the two. If you would read my exchange with hkdilbert, you'd know that already. But once again. Rules are Rules. Don't remember seeing a sign that says no photography after 7:00, or no photography if people are present, or no photography unless you get consent. There's only 1 sign and it says NO PHOTOGRAPHY. So tell me now....who's the one that is acting like the rules don't apply to them? Didn't you yourself say "Its not OK....PERIOD" ? ?

Now let's talk about your last sentence. "If no one is there, who would complain?" My answer is two fold. 1. It's still a rule. and 2. The people who aren't there will complain. Just like you weren't even there when the pics in question were taken, yet you are complaining. If your position is that you need to be present to complain, then you should probably move on to a different subject, cause you weren't there.

[CandG]

I am definitely on the fence on this quite a bit. On the one hand, I definitely agree that you don't want to promote rampant use of cameras on the nude side, as it would have a definite chilling effect, and that's counter to the spirit of Hedo. On the other hand, it's nice (especially for the virgins but also for us DIF'ers) to get a glimpse into the fun there from time to time.

I will admit that I was a bit taken off guard of such a "large" photo at the nude pool. Typically when you see them they are of only a few people and the lens is tightened down to prevent exactly what people fear, exposure to the outside world. You did, however, do a great job of blurring the photograph. I suppose if I knew those people intimately, I might be able to pick them out based on body features. I think you did the right thing by taking the pictures down after a short time. It's a shame that there isn't a truly secure way to provide pictures on the internet solely for viewing and not stealing.

Thanks for sharing the pictures. I'm sorry so many people seemed to get bent out of shape by them, and I know you were not trying to be malicious or cause drama when you posted them.

I should have addressed this in my last posting. I completely agree with ColonelPanic. I never thought (and I hope I didn't imply) that there was any malicious intent in Face Down's posting of the pics. I completely understood her enthusiasm for her group and for the great fun they had and I know that sharing that fun was her only motivation in posting the pictures. She is a fun, positive poster on here and I always enjoy reading what she has to say. I was just concerned about the message the posting of the pictures might send to some people and how the widespread use of cameras on the nude side (and especially at the nude pool) might affect the whole atmosphere that we all love.