Two weeks ago this is what the nude pool looked like!

[dsquared]

I can't disagree that Facedown is a great guy. From reading his posts I'm sure we would get along great if we met at HEDO. But I love the people who think they are better than everyone else and it's ok for them to take pictures. (from his posts I'm gathering that Facedown was not the photographer here so it's not directed at him) Just because some people don't feel violated by someone taking their picture does not mean the next person feels the same. I would bet good money that not everyone in that picture (blurry as they are) were aware that they were being photographed and that not everyone would be comfortable with it. And it really is not the blurry picture that is the issue here, it is the fact that someone took it in the first place. If everyone in that picture was with the same group, and waving at the camera to indicate so, then great, it's a group photo. But their not, and it is too late to ask now isn't it. So how do you control the wierdo who snap shots without permission? You start by making it clear that it's not ok at any level, you stop even bringing your camera in the areas your not supposed to because "your a person people can trust", and start pointing out those that you do catch to everyone present and to security.
The privacy of the individual who doesn't want their picture taken is more important than the right for someone else to take a picture to remember what a great time they had. "If you don't want to have your picture taken don't go to HEDO" How about, if you want your picture taken, go somewhere it is allowed? If HEDO had signs up saying "you may be photographed in this area" then people would behave appropriately or avoid those areas, but they have signs saying no photography. Whats so hard to understand about that? As for the tourists on the Sandals boat, that you can't control, but you can do things to avoid getting your picture taken by them when the boat comes by. And beach walkers? I can honestly say that the only beach walkers I've ever encountered at H2 were either stopped by security at the prude end of the beach or made to join the nudity by the people in our group. Otherwise, same idea as above, you make it clear pictures are not allowed, and do something about it if you see it.
To keep justifying it is just showing a lack of respect for the other guests at HEDO. Why not defend everyones right to privacy?

[CandG]

I can't disagree that Facedown is a great guy. From reading his posts I'm sure we would get along great if we met at HEDO. But I love the people who think they are better than everyone else and it's ok for them to take pictures. (from his posts I'm gathering that Facedown was not the photographer here so it's not directed at him) Just because some people don't feel violated by someone taking their picture does not mean the next person feels the same. I would bet good money that not everyone in that picture (blurry as they are) were aware that they were being photographed and that not everyone would be comfortable with it. And it really is not the blurry picture that is the issue here, it is the fact that someone took it in the first place. If everyone in that picture was with the same group, and waving at the camera to indicate so, then great, it's a group photo. But their not, and it is too late to ask now isn't it. So how do you control the wierdo who snap shots without permission? You start by making it clear that it's not ok at any level, you stop even bringing your camera in the areas your not supposed to because "your a person people can trust", and start pointing out those that you do catch to everyone present and to security.
The privacy of the individual who doesn't want their picture taken is more important than the right for someone else to take a picture to remember what a great time they had. "If you don't want to have your picture taken don't go to HEDO" How about, if you want your picture taken, go somewhere it is allowed? If HEDO had signs up saying "you may be photographed in this area" then people would behave appropriately or avoid those areas, but they have signs saying no photography. Whats so hard to understand about that? As for the tourists on the Sandals boat, that you can't control, but you can do things to avoid getting your picture taken by them when the boat comes by. And beach walkers? I can honestly say that the only beach walkers I've ever encountered at H2 were either stopped by security at the prude end of the beach or made to join the nudity by the people in our group. Otherwise, same idea as above, you make it clear pictures are not allowed, and do something about it if you see it.
To keep justifying it is just showing a lack of respect for the other guests at HEDO. Why not defend everyones right to privacy?

I wholeheartedly agree with dsquared. Certainly not everyone in that pool was with the Amigos. I'm sorry, but the rights of the people who prefer not to be photographed supersede the rights of the people who want to take photographs on the nude side. Dsquared is right. The nude side is specifically a "no photography" area for a good reason. I've met many, many school teachers, policemen and others whose jobs depend on anonymity. The photos posted here may be blurred but somewhere those same pictures (and I suspect many more) exist in crisp, clear living color. The fact that people will vouch for the integrity of the person taking the pictures means nothing to me. Every time a serial killer is captured all his neighbors talk about what a nice guy he was. I don't mean to malign anyone in particular here. I don't even know who took the pictures. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't have taken them and they most certainly shouldn't have been posted here or anywhere else. Your desire to preserve memories do not trump my right to privacy. It's amazing to me that we're even having this discussion and that there is any disagreement about this at all. It seems so clear and obvious to me. Yes, cameras can be hidden and pictures will be taken, but I don't want a situation to develop in which groups, no matter how big they may be, get the idea that they are above the rules and can freely snap away simply because they can fill the pool.

[Wyoswift]

I wholeheartedly agree with dsquared. Certainly not everyone in that pool was with the Amigos. I'm sorry, but the rights of the people who prefer not to be photographed supersede the rights of the people who want to take photographs on the nude side. Dsquared is right. The nude side is specifically a "no photography" area for a good reason. I've met many, many school teachers, policemen and others whose jobs depend on anonymity. The photos posted here may be blurred but somewhere those same pictures (and I suspect many more) exist in crisp, clear living color. The fact that people will vouch for the integrity of the person taking the pictures means nothing to me. Every time a serial killer is captured all his neighbors talk about what a nice guy he was. I don't mean to malign anyone in particular here. I don't even know who took the pictures. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't have taken them and they most certainly shouldn't have been posted here or anywhere else. Your desire to preserve memories do not trump my right to privacy. It's amazing to me that we're even having this discussion and that there is any disagreement about this at all. It seems so clear and obvious to me. Yes, cameras can be hidden and pictures will be taken, but I don't want a situation to develop in which groups, no matter how big they may be, get the idea that they are above the rules and can freely snap away simply because they can fill the pool.

He was just trying to show all of the regular 2 ppl that this is how us transplanted Hedo 3 ppl ROLL. We like to party and have FUN! If you want to join do and if you don't then DON"T!!! We are a huge AMIGO FAMILY!!! We are new to the Hedo 2 family and we have NEVER wanted to over step our bounds but you are stuck with us. Our group had over half of the reservations for the week. If 2 got closed then you would all be going to 3 so you need to think about that!
IMO PARTY WITH THE AMIGOS OR GO AT ANOTHER TIME!!!! 2 IS OUR NEW HOME!!!!

[CandG]

He was just trying to show all of the regular 2 ppl that this is how us transplanted Hedo 3 ppl ROLL. We like to party and have FUN! If you want to join do and if you don't then DON"T!!! We are a huge AMIGO FAMILY!!! We are new to the Hedo 2 family and we have NEVER wanted to over step our bounds but you are stuck with us. Our group had over half of the reservations for the week. If 2 got closed then you would all be going to 3 so you need to think about that!
IMO PARTY WITH THE AMIGOS OR GO AT ANOTHER TIME!!!! 2 IS OUR NEW HOME!!!!

Great, you can fill the pool, but that doesn't mean you own the place and it doesn't mean you can make your own rules and trample on the privacy rights of others. We ALL like to have fun. That's why we go to Hedo instead of Sandals, but all I'm saying is that it would be nice if your fun didn't include taking pictures in the nude pool. That IS "overstepping your bounds". With all due respect to the Amigos, it's not like Hedo II was dull before the Amigos got there. I still can't believe that we're discussing whether pictures on the nude side is OK. It isn't...period. No matter who's doing it.

[magjoy]

He was just trying to show all of the regular 2 ppl that this is how us transplanted Hedo 3 ppl ROLL. We like to party and have FUN! If you want to join do and if you don't then DON"T!!! We are a huge AMIGO FAMILY!!! We are new to the Hedo 2 family and we have NEVER wanted to over step our bounds but you are stuck with us. Our group had over half of the reservations for the week. If 2 got closed then you would all be going to 3 so you need to think about that!
IMO PARTY WITH THE AMIGOS OR GO AT ANOTHER TIME!!!! 2 IS OUR NEW HOME!!!!

Yes, it is "home" but you're not the only ones who "live" there. There have been a lot of group photos taken over the years on he nude side, but was just of the group standing on the hedonism concrete block, the point at sunset and under the hedo banner next to the nude pool. Great alternative!

I'm truly glad you had a blast. And I know it sucks that HIII got shut down. I'd cry if it was HII.

[Caedmon]

I still can't believe that we're discussing whether pictures on the nude side is OK. It isn't...period. No matter who's doing it.

From the person who's profile pic is of the nude side.......lmao.

Thanks, always appreciate a good full blown belly laugh!!!

[hkdilbert]

From the person who's profile pic is of the nude side.......lmao.

Thanks, always appreciate a good full blown belly laugh!!!

I think you're missing the point here. CandG's profile pic does not include other nude people whose pictures are being taken without their knowledge or consent.....

[Caedmon]

I think you're missing the point here. CandG's profile pic does not include other nude people whose pictures are being taken without their knowledge or consent.....

I think you're missing the point. CandG's stance is pretty clear with this quote. "I still can't believe that we're discussing whether pictures on the nude side is OK. It isn't...period. No matter who's doing it."

CandG didnt say "it's okay if nobody is in the picture" they said "It isn't...period." CandG also said "No matter who's doing it." while displaying evidence that they did it themselves. The irony is a great laugh especially considering the remark about "it doesn't mean you can make your own rules". I never saw a sign that says No Photographs if people are present. The only sign I saw says "No Photographs". Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black to me. CandG and whoever took the pics that facedown posted both broke the same rule. Howeve, only 1 of them is calling the other out for breaking rules. Just seems silly to call someone out for breaking a rule that obviously they are breaking themselves.

[Face Down]

Wow...did not see this thread turning into something so negative! My intention, how ill advised as it has been pointed out , of posting these photos was to just show how much fun we were having in our new Hedo home. Before the trip I was warned by many that the current H2 people were not going to like our kind...H3 was about sexy fun while H2 was just about sex. The Amigos are a party group...as you can see. I take great pride in that we have wonderful people and are not one of those "all inclusive" groups that shun and don't even speak to those who are not members. I have been around those groups in my numerous trips to H3/H2 and I think they suck. I wasn't surprised though while at the resort of all the comments that we got from old timers and staff on how awesome we were and they were so glad that we were there. I know what great caliber people we have and would not except anything less. One guy pulled me aside and started the conversation with I have been coming here for 25 years. I was getting ready for you guys are too loud and obnoxious, go away stuff. He then said to me he was "so glad that Superclubs closed Hedo III, because if they had not our group would still be there and not at H2...and H2 needed us." Went on to say he had not had this much fun at H2 in years!!! I think a testament of how much fun we had with everyone there I came home to 12-15 emails in my inbox from people we met there and adopted into our little party who want to join in the fun next year.

So back to the pictures. 80+% of the people in them are Hedo Amigos..but that does leave 20%, whom I might add were having a very good time with us, that I do not know and I guess unfair to them that they were caught in the madness of the afternoon. These pictures have nothing to do with nudity, sex or spank bank material....the person who took them was awed by the spectacle and wanted a couple of shots to share with the group...where I guess it should have stayed. These pictures, plus the 3000+ that we have on the Yahoo site will never be put up anywhere else on the web...if they do and I find out about it and who did it, that person would be banned forever from the group and called out here or where ever else they post as a scumbag. So I just took them down, maybe some things are better left to the imagination anyway. I am not taking them down as I feel they "could have very serious implications for some in the pictures....The blurring helps a little, but people are still recognizable." No...that is total bullshit, I spent lots of time when blurring to make sure not one persons face was recognizable. I am taking them them down because:
1. It sets a bad example. I guess if one person starts to do it then many could follow suit. Regardless of what you think of me for posting these or the person who took the pics I do not want rabid camera use on the nude side.
2. I do not want to be a source of conflict here on this board. I love coming here and if you read my posts I am not one to get in the stupid arguments that happen every once in a while. This place is for us to be happy, talk and countdown to the place we all love and call are second home. I come here to check my head and get away from everyday drama and problems, not to start them or be apart of them.

So, to the majority of you who liked the pictures, I am glad you got to see them. That same party, only bigger (god help us) will be happening March 30th, 2012 and we will love to have ya join us if you can!

Peace and chicken grease!

[ColonelPanic]

I am definitely on the fence on this quite a bit. On the one hand, I definitely agree that you don't want to promote rampant use of cameras on the nude side, as it would have a definite chilling effect, and that's counter to the spirit of Hedo. On the other hand, it's nice (especially for the virgins but also for us DIF'ers) to get a glimpse into the fun there from time to time.

I will admit that I was a bit taken off guard of such a "large" photo at the nude pool. Typically when you see them they are of only a few people and the lens is tightened down to prevent exactly what people fear, exposure to the outside world. You did, however, do a great job of blurring the photograph. I suppose if I knew those people intimately, I might be able to pick them out based on body features. I think you did the right thing by taking the pictures down after a short time. It's a shame that there isn't a truly secure way to provide pictures on the internet solely for viewing and not stealing.

Thanks for sharing the pictures. I'm sorry so many people seemed to get bent out of shape by them, and I know you were not trying to be malicious or cause drama when you posted them.

[hkdilbert]

I think your missing the point. CandG's stance is pretty clear with this quote. "I still can't believe that we're discussing whether pictures on the nude side is OK. It isn't...period. No matter who's doing it."

CandG didnt say "it's okay if nobody is in the picture" they said "It isn't...period." CandG also said "No matter who's doing it." while displaying evidence that they did it themselves. The irony is a great laugh especially considering the remark about "it doesn't mean you can make your own rules". I never saw a sign that says No Photographs if people are present. The only sign I saw says "No Photographs". Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black to me. CandG and whoever took the pics that facedown posted both broke the same rule. Howeve, only 1 of them is calling the other out for breaking rules. Just seems silly to call someone out for breaking a rule that obviously they are breaking themselves.

I see your point, however you might want to check the many threads on this topic over the past few years here. They seem to be pretty consistent in defining the issue as well as what is considered acceptable behavour. While this is not 100% consistent with an ironclad interpretation of the rules, they do seem to define what is generally considered acceptable, and what under no conditions is considered acceptable.

What follows is my interpretation of the threads I've followed here for some time. I'm sure if I'm out of line on any of this, I'll be appropriately called to task and punsihed.

The common thread among almost all discussions re: what is under no conditions considered acceptable is taking photos in the nude area of people not knowledgable or wanting to be in the photos. In addition, in times where there are many people and it is generally not possible to screen everyone out, it is in bad taste to use the camera at all. The underlying reason is that it is more important to protect individuals privacy than to get random photos in these circumstances.

Now what does seem to be acceptable, even if it is bending the rules a bit, is the following:

• Taking photos on the nude side early in the morning when there is nobody around
• Taking photos at other times when few to no people are around, provided that the others are first notified and consent.
• Taking photos of yourselves or a small group, where no others are involved, and where the security people have been notified and are agreeable.

There are probably a few others to add to the list, but you likely get my point.

[norcalcpl42]

There are rules and there are unwritten rules, rules of respect and consideration for one another. I am an amateur photographer and love shooting nude pictures of my wife on the point, in the waterfall etc. I have even been asked to do this for other couples on several occasions however I would never blindly shoot a shot of a pool full of naked people and presume it was ok. Not because of a sign that says 'no photography" but because it violates the privacy of the members of my Hedo family.

The attitude that you booked half the rooms so you will do whatever the fuck you want is the talk of a bully. "We are bigger than you, so if you don't like it leave". I suppose all family's have there bully's but I am disappointed that in a group of people who are so open minded as to be comfortable vacationing naked, having sex in public and sharing that experience with others that there isn't a greater level of respect and maturity.

Now, big groups are not our thing anyway but certainly if this is the attitude of all the "Amigos" I would definitely steer clear.

Just my 2 cents, respect, every time.

[Wyoswift]

The attitude that you booked half the rooms so you will do whatever the fuck you want is the talk of a bully. "We are bigger than you, so if you don't like it leave". I suppose all family's have there bully's but I am disappointed that in a group of people who are so open minded as to be comfortable vacationing naked, having sex in public and sharing that experience with others that there isn't a greater level of respect and maturity.

I wasn't meaning that just because the Amigos were in the majority that we were a bully. I have the upmost respect for all of the Hedo family. I was trying to say that this is how the Amigos Roll. We are a huge party group and if that is not for you we are sorry. If you want to sit and relax then going at the same time as the Amigos might not be the right time for you but also it is a big place and I am sure you can find a quiet place somewhere.
Respect!

[Face Down]

There was someone VIDEOTAPING??
I hope she was removed from the resort!!
That is TOTALLY unacceptable.
Lordy, I don't *really* care, but I DO care about such blatant selfish violations of my privacy.

Yep...did not even find out about it till we got home and was reading this forum. I guess she was just hanging out the window w/ video camera in hand. Some words were exchanged and she basically told them to fuck off. That resulted in a Vodka Ting sent her way via air mail which still did not deter her. Finally a security guard was found and sent to the room where the video camera was taken.

[Face Down]

Now, big groups are not our thing anyway but certainly if this is the attitude of all the "Amigos" I would definitely steer clear.

As the leader/organizer/Yoda/Head Fucking Idiot or whatever you want to call me...I can unequivocally say that is not the attitude of what the Hedo Amigos are about. Just read some of the posts here a few weeks back of people who were not with our group but had a fantastic time hanging with us had to say.