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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone69 View Post
    I have a problem with COMMUNIST DICTATORS, not the people of Cuba who are the victims. America started the problems? You don't know your history. I suppose Castro is your hero too.
    Actually, the problem is mainly between the Cuban Americans in Miami who lost alot of their wealth during the revolution and Castro. The Cuban people know that their system is far from perfect but capitalism also didn't fare them too well either!

    Meanwhile, don't think a Hedo website is the best place to have this debate!!! Lol .

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    Presumably T bone was one of the 17 people who voted for this guy

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...bushresume.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by A+J View Post
    Presumably T bone was one of the 17 people who voted for this guy

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...bushresume.htm
    You are going to compare Castro to Bush? Don't waste my time or anyone else's! Good God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A+J View Post
    Presumably T bone was one of the 17 people who voted for this guy

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...bushresume.htm
    And because I oppose a murderous dictator, I MUST be a Bush supporter.
    You are an IDIOT. Stay in Europe.

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    Hmmm...so in answer to your original question, Youtalkin2me, Cuba has beautiful beaches, wonderful people, lousy food and, as you can see, a very tumultuous political landscape!!!

    If you have the desire...go...enjoy...and make up your own mind. Anyone can send you links, pro or con, fact or fiction, credible or propoganda--bottom line is we all make our own judgments based on our experiences and choices.

    Let's face it...the fact that we are all on this Hedo board would have a lot of people calling us all sorts of nasty names.

    Can't we all just get along???

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    I never understood the whole Cuba politics thing. Cubans are nice people and they have a nice *CATHOLIC* country. America (unfortunately) has failed to overthrow Castro, so the old fox and his brother will die of old age soon and that will be the end of it. Old age will accomplish what years of attempting to starve out Cubans was supposed to do. The crazy Spanish are dotting the coast of Cuba with CAPITALIST ventures and corrupting the Cubans with non-communist ideas. Good for them go CAPITALISM.

    ** Non-Philosopers please stop reading now or at least start drinking (and singing the Monty Python "Philosophers Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY " **

    For the more philosophical amongst you (I know there are some of you) I think it comes down to Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. *After* the basic needs are taken care of people start to think more and more about things like freedom and self expression. For example the, unfortunate people of Haiti are not marching in the streets for freedom of the press and self expression right now. You can not starve people into democracy; they want it naturally *after* they have food, shelter and security. Starving, desperate people will follow orders from anyone who gives them a paycheck and a gun. This caused us problems in Iraq and continues to bedevil us in Afghanistan. First full bellies, security and paychecks, then Democracy talk... it just plain gets better results. We have learned so much the last ten years, sometimes painfully. But I think that we are becoming much more effective at spreading Democracy.

    Anyway, here is a link for *philosophers only*

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow'...archy_of_needs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SXMCOLover View Post
    Are there topless or nude beaches/resorts in Cuba?
    last year we stayed in Varadero.Mrs sunnysideup69 was topless the whole week ,along with many other Canadians and Europeans ,never a problem. Beaches, resort, people were all great.Food was good but not great(kinda bland).There is a restaurant in Varadero called El Ranchero ,for 20$ you get 3 lobster tails, shrimp and fillet mignon with all the fixins PLUS all the mojitos you can drink with live Cuban entertainment.We will likely go back this year and would highly recommend the trip.
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    Ok here is what I dont like and i been seeing a lot of it. In regards to offshore, in his comments that I dont have great grammar. Im not really paying attention to how I type on a nudist forum. second of all lets act like adults and not talk negative about people unless you are standingface to face with them. If i wanted to have an argument, Id be standing in front of my 9th grade class.

    Everyone else.. i am glad you all have opinions on gov't. but does it really matter here?? I just asked if cuba was worth it. Now can we all act like adults and not pick fights against people who we will probably never meet or know anything about.

    PS: Offshore-- when you look like you do, I wouldn't make fun of ANYBODY. FYI

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    and please... put pants on

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    A couple of pictures...simple, rugged shoreline of Cayo Largo...the rocky coves provide little corners of privacy. You can walk miles and miles of pristine beaches but, as you can see, not the normal topograpy of the Caribbean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcg View Post
    For the more philosophical amongst you (I know there are some of you) I think it comes down to Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. *After* the basic needs are taken care of people start to think more and more about things like freedom and self expression. First full bellies, security and paychecks, then Democracy talk... it just plain gets better results. We have learned so much the last ten years, sometimes painfully. But I think that we are becoming much more effective at spreading Democracy.

    Anyway, here is a link for *philosophers only*

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow'...archy_of_needs
    JCG....I find it a bit sad that Maslow thinks that the need for personal resources, and property comes before morality, lack of prejudice and respect for others. Don't you think that, with the latter traits, we could help each other to achieve personal resources and property? Perhaps that is where the difference between capitalism vs. socialism/communism--or even Western religions versus Buddhism--comes into play; i.e. how one "builds" his/her hierarchy pyramid?

    I apologize for using this venue to respond, JCG...maybe I should have sent a private message...but very interesting indeed--thanks for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlights View Post
    JCG....I find it a bit sad that Maslow thinks that the need for personal resources, and property comes before morality, lack of prejudice and respect for others. Don't you think that, with the latter traits, we could help each other to achieve personal resources and property? Perhaps that is where the difference between capitalism vs. socialism/communism--or even Western religions versus Buddhism--comes into play; i.e. how one "builds" his/her hierarchy pyramid?

    I apologize for using this venue to respond, JCG...maybe I should have sent a private message...but very interesting indeed--thanks for that.
    It's not that Maslow was against heroism. He just felt that expending energy on the higher needs without access to the basics, such as shelter/food/sex was not going to be productive. I think it was Napoleon who said "An army marches on i'ts stomach". He understood that in order to motivate people he had to meet their basic needs first and foremost, then light a fire in their hearts with appeals to "higher motives" beyond that.

    Note that Hedo has the first and second tiers totally covered (lodging, food SEX, security and SEX)...did I mention sex twice, oh well I am desperately trying to stay on topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcg View Post
    . I think it was Napoleon who said "An army marches on i'ts stomach". He understood that in order to motivate people he had to meet their basic needs first and foremost, then light a fire in their hearts with appeals to "higher motives" beyond that.
    OMG, I just realized something, JCG. It's like men vs. women!!! Forget Commies and Buddhists and all this philosophical mumbo-jumbo....it's the Venus vs. Mars thing. You men are completely happy once your bellies and sexual appetites are satiated whereas us women tend to reach for the higher meaning and emotions within a relationship!!! I always knew we were the higher evolved species and now you have just proven it to me!

    Who would have thought this board would be so enlightening!

    P.S. I get it, JCG...just stirring up the pot. It's part of my charm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightlights View Post
    A couple of pictures...simple, rugged shoreline of Cayo Largo...the rocky coves provide little corners of privacy. You can walk miles and miles of pristine beaches but, as you can see, not the normal topograpy of the Caribbean.
    Am I allowed to say the pictures were pretty or do I have to say something smart and philosophical? If Cuba ever opened up and they put a Hedo at a place like that, we'd be there.

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    I have been to Cuba 4 times.

    Varadero, Guardalavaca x2 and Cayo Coco.

    It is a beautiful country and the people there are wonderful and well educated. The food was alright, nothing spectacular.

    The night life is a nothing like you would find in Jamaica with the exception of Havana.

    I am Canadians and have seen Americans on my plane ride over.

    It is worth a look if you enjoy seeing the world.

    Varadero was my least favourite of the locations visited.

    JulieD
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