Safety in women's bathrooms?

[jwell100]

There is a long discussion at DennyP's forum about women that were assaulted or intmidated by the bathroom at the nude pool at H2. For anyone who has been there before, is this also an issue at H3?

[sluggo and tay]

Hell no! The bathrooms are about 15 feet from the pool, and often times the doors are propped open, but still private and clean. I can't imagine anyone having a problem in there unless you were down there late at night, alone, and probably drunk. I obserevd an "incident" where a guy (drunk) put some serious moves on a lady ( also drunk) and just before it got "serious", she said no I dont think I want to do this. The guy immediately apologized, was a complete gentleman, including enlisting some help to get the lady back to her room. I was there the next day when she sought him out and thanked him profusely. They become geat friends. THAT is a lot more typical of Hedonism than obnoxious beahvor.

[jwell100]

Thanks for the info. big fella. Sorry we won't be there for the gift exchange to see you donate your "wrapped rascal." By the way does Tay know about this?

[JAnewbies]

He's using Tay's finger to help tie the bow...

[jimandkristy]

make sure the bow isn't too tight. We wouldn't want the blood cut off or anything

[Uniflip]

Wow .. you guys really know how to hijack every thread ! well done

[Chris]

You should exercise common sense though still. Meaning don't let women wander around at night alone. Attacks may be rare, but it sucks it if happens to you. Both properties are fairly large, spread out, with lots of bushes.

[Lorenzo&Anna]

When we were there, there was always a security grade in site, need them or not. In fact there was a time or too when we tried to enjoy the work of the local farmers and could not find a hidden spot. Ended up going back to the room.

[Moorerotic]

I would agree with Sluggo and Tay. Those bathrooms are a minimal worry. Way too out in the open. The guard was always about 20 feet way. You'd have to have the vocal cords of a mouse to not be heard in there.

I can't speak for the walking around alone at night because I'm a guy. The locals didn't seem that bad to me. They were more into that "finding and American "girlfriend" to send me money and gifts" hustle than anything else.

The biggest danger to women is something they have a ton of control over, their drinking.

Respect the alcohol! If you don't like the taste of alcohol but think folks will consider you a party pooper, drink virgin drinks. Avoid shots. That's another clear sign that you don't actually like alcohol. A lot of love and care goes into making most alcohols so show some respect. If your style of drinking is "how do I get drunk without tasting the alcohol" then maybe you should re-think your drinking habits.

Watch how much you're drinking and and simply keep an eye on your drink. It's not like home were you're expecting the guy to buy you a drink. You've already paid for the drink, so get it yourself. If it gets out of your sight get a new one.

I'm not saying this in common, but I did see one instance of this on my trip to Hedo III. Two guys were chatting up a woman tag-team style. They were getting her drinks as fast as she could throw them down her throat. The guys were probably drinking virgin drinks themselves. To any casual observer it would have look like two gentlemen getting a lady drinks at best or two dudes trying to get a woman drunk at worst. She was slamming every drink down with gusto so it definitely didn't look like anything sinister. All three of these people were fairly attractive so a lot of people were watching these people. One guy actually said he would have intervened if it looked like the guys were pushing the drinks on her.

Real Hedo people do have your back, ladies.

I saw the two guys the next day and they looked downright energized. Happy and healthy as could be. When I talked to her the next day she looked out of it, like she had a very bad hangover. She was one of the healthiest most attractive women at Hedo III the prior three days.

We walked past the two dudes and they completely ignored her and she them. I didn't see her the next day. On the third day I ran into her as she was leaving, she hadn't left her room the previous day because she left so bad, and she cut her Hedo trip a day short because she was getting worse and wanted to see a doctor and didn't trust the Jamaican medical system. She never claimed that those guys assaulted her, but I think that's because she didn't remember what those guys did to her. Whatever they did it was clearly pretty rough and probably not safe sex. I've never know a basic alcohol hangover to last three days and actually seem to get worse, so it was more than just the alcohol.

I work in law enforcement and if I had to guess I would say she was feeling the effects of the alcohol, some sort of drug and two guys living out their porn fantasies on her semi-conscious body.

I'm sure that woman will never set foot on a Hedo resort or in the country of Jamaica for that matter, again.

The two dudes were Canadians and extremely clean cut and well groomed.

[Lorenzo&Anna]

Well after that horror story…

Don’t get nerves… the vast majority of people that work and play at Hedo are very good people, you should just avoid people who seem interested in only one thing, guys that are there alone or with a buddy also guys that came with there wife’s but spend very little time with her.

Very good point, Moorerotic.
Girls; Get Your Own Drink anywhere you go. Hedo or your local club.

Like Chris said use your common sense…

Now Lets PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moorerotic]

Lorenzo&Anna

I thought long and hard before I posted that message, and actually tamed it down a bit. My intention isn't to scare people away from Hedo. I loved that place and had a great time. What's good for Hedo is good for me.

What's bad for Hedo is women like her having a negative experience. That women was attractive facially, in her mid 30's and had the body of a Victoria's Secret model. She was the prefect customer of any bar, restaurant, or resort in the world. For Hedo to lose her and by extension every friend she ever mentions her trip to, is a huge loss for Hedo.

At the same time, Hedo can't place a guard in front of every woman's vagina. Every woman and in fact every person needs to use their own smarts.

My observation was simply that the weirdo hiding in the bushes is NOT a huge threat.

I don't know how many times you two have been to Hedo but some of your assessments are a bit harsh, and could steer women away from some really wonderful guys.

I wouldn't be so hard on the guys alone. I was one, and I shared a lot of wonderful experience with men and women of all ages, couples and singles, both sexual and not.

I wouldn't be so hard on the guys who ditch their wives at night. Three of them watched the entire exchange between the woman and the two dudes at the main bar and in the disco. I'm quite sure that two of them would have intervened if they thought anything was coerced. Several of the "ditch the wive at night" guys were de facto body guards for young women who were there alone. Maybe they wanted to sleep with those women but they weren't going to do anything underhanded to reach that goal.

If one really drunk woman willing takes two sober guys back to her room late at night, what right does the Hedo staff, or other resort guests have to stop that.

Just because a guy is there with his buddy doesn't make them bad either. There were several guys there with buddies and the ladies were loving them. There were at least two other women who loved the company of the two dudes in "the incident" so much that they came back for seconds. What was the difference in their case? I don't think either of those two women drank alcohol at all. So when they got with the dudes, the dudes had to play nice. Maybe they just saw an opportunity to do some crazy shit that the sober girls weren't going to allow.

The other thing that set these guys apart was their lies.

Any ordinary observer would have expected all three of those folks to have had a great time. I was suspicious because I've worked in law enforcement for many years and those guys were telling her "sci-fi fantasy" quality lies. One guy all but claimed he was James Bond. Maybe that's the kind of shit some women want to hear on vacation. Still my suspicions weren't enough to qualify me as guardian of her vagina, either.

Someone putting something in your drink is really not that common. The free flow of alcohol and the willingness to pour every drop put in front of you down your throat is the really problem.

Lastly, the greatest truth about Hedo is that the vast, vast, vast majority of people who come to Hedo are really fantastic.

Human beings are designed from the ground up to want to get laid, so there's nothing perverted about that.

I hope I haven't discouraged anyone from going there. It really is a wonderful place were you'll start friendships that will last forever.

[Lorenzo&Anna]

Moorerotic.

I’m sorry if it seemed that I was picking on you; but I was not. After rereading what I posted I can see where you could assume I was making fun. And for that I’m sorry…

I seen in your writing that this is an issue you are very intoned with and passionate about.

Your writing shows a true concern and any advice you could give on this issue is valid.

MY FAULT, I took an issue that I did not know how to deal with emotionally and belittled it. With a nonchalant don’t worry be happy attitude.

We must make a pack to become good friends.

[Moorerotic]

Lorenzo&Anna

I guess there has been a misunderstanding on both our sides. I didn't perceive you as picking on me or belittling the issue. I didn't think you were making fun of anything.

I've read a lot of your posts and totally agree with most of them. You have absolutely nothing to be sorry for, as far as I'm concerned.

The only things I took issue with where ideas that:

Single Guy = Bad
Guy with Buddy = Bad
Guy running around without his wife = Bad
and
Man wanting to have sex with Woman = Bad

I was a single guy at Hedo III for two weeks and I was very popular with both couples and single women. The woman involved in the incident had CHASED ME for two days, prior to the incident.

I saw lots of guys with buddies making lots of single women happy.

I saw lots of guys running around without their wives who were very protective of single women.

If men didn't want to have sex with women none of us would be here.

Wanting sex isn't bad, the methods you use to get sex can be though.

I met a ton of people during my two weeks at Hedo III and it became my morning ritual to go to the lobby every morning for good bye hugs and kisses and email and phone number exchanges. Every morning I saw single women who hadn't had a good time because they had spent their entire trip avoiding perfectly decent single men.

We both have the same goal. We want to encourage people to go to Hedo, and yes, Hedo should be about a "Don't worry, be happy" attitude, but that doesn't mean check your common sense at the door.

Later friend.

[Woofie]

Just one thing. The origional post, and most of the responses have been in relation to the women's bathroom at the nude side. This is a very safe place on the resort, there is virtually never a time when there aren't people around.
Mrs. woof was once accosted by a very aggressive male employee in the women's room underneath the disco. This is a fairly remote bathroom that is pretty much only used by people from the piano bar. There are no security personel anywhere in the vicinity at that time of night. It was pretty late at night. She was able to get away from him, but it was pretty upsetting for her at the time.

Now. to put it in perspective. we've been there 9 times, each trip has been either 7 or 10 nights, and this was the only time something like this ever happened, so it's not like it's a chronic issue. But nevertheless, it's never a bad idea to keep in mind that a woman by herself anywhere, whether in Jamaica or walking down the street in your own neighbohood can become a target.

[jwell100]

Sounds like the solution is to just escort your female companion to the bathroom or have her go with another woman. Thanks for all the input.